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Flowey ([personal profile] friendlyflower) wrote in [community profile] bottlebay2025-10-29 12:36 pm

video, at the end of october

[A weird, half-dead sunflower seed with dilated eyes and sweat rolling down its shell appears, shouting at you from the clinic.]

THE VOTE IS CLOSE!!!!!!! VOTE FOR UMBREON NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[He grabs the Grumpearl with a vine.]

DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT VOTING FOR LURANTIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nurse Chansey from the clinic visibly tries to wrestle the Grumpearl away from him. He shouts various curses that Emporio taught him. You may or may not have a headache now.]
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[personal profile] consequerer 2025-11-05 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
[ Emmet, from somewhere across the bay, suddenly gets the urge to stage whisper "not beating the goth allegations" over the Grumpearls. ]

Perhaps you might just ask? Though if it is something truly embarrassing it may be in its own way a blessing in disguise that you cannot recall it ...

You have mentioned your issues with memory before, though. They are truly that thorough? Nothing comes through lacking context, no sense of deja-vu?
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[personal profile] offtracks 2025-11-05 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
[ Ah - Ingo's perpetual frown deepens. ]

No. I had thought something of that sort might happen, but I have never managed to truly regain any memories at all. There are only vague impressions, and even that much is rare. Maybe if I saw him as a human, or if we were anywhere familiar... [ But, maybe not. Ingo is beginning to have his doubts. ] Ah, but I could ask him, I suppose!

[ He is not going to do this. ]
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[personal profile] consequerer 2025-11-05 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
[ They full-body tilt a bit.

Then, very seriously:

(it isn't, really, but their delivery is impeccable.) ]


Perhaps the powers that displaced you ... or the ones that noticed you after, did not trust you not to cause a temporal paradox, whether intentionally or otherwise.

[ Consider: accidentally yapping about events to come to exactly the wrong person, and giving them an existential crisis. ]
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[personal profile] offtracks 2025-11-06 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
[ His brow furrows. This may require a little more explanation for a guy without access to time travel media. ]

A temporal paradox...?
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[personal profile] consequerer 2025-11-06 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. For example ... you say you came from the future, right? Let's say ... an important event happened, somewhere between when you came from, and where you ended up. Maybe something important was discovered, maybe something new was invented. You don't mean to change things, but because you know things the people around you do not, you happen to mention a few things offhand, not even very specifically.

But people start thinking about it. Before you know it, this all builds up, and suddenly that event you knew to take place some decades in the future is happening now, far too soon.

[ They shrug a little, cheerfully. ]

Who knows what else might happen differently next? Will the future you came still look the same, if things change so much?

[ ... ]

Barring that, I suppose, there is also always the classic example of a man going back in time and preventing himself from being born somehow. Usually by killing his grandfather.
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[personal profile] offtracks 2025-11-06 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
.....oh. Well! Hm...

[ The theory does make sense. Could Ingo really do something like that, even across so much time and space? Even if only by mistake? What would he have even changed?

...he's brought a higher level of training to Hisui. Could he have done it already, somehow?

Later, later. He doesn't want to put these new concerns on the Yamask, especially at Flowey's sickbed. ]


Well, I certainly have not killed anyone!
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[personal profile] consequerer 2025-11-07 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
Well, that is just the usual example. Maybe he just accidentally holds up his grandfather in a way such that he never ends up meeting his grandmother, which results in the same thing.

But then, here is the confusing part, the one that makes it a paradox! If the man was never born, how could he have ended up going back in time to stop himself from being born?

If the future you came from was changed, then why do you still exist, if you are a product of the future that used to be?

[ behold, the subject of many a sci-fi and fantasy story! ]
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[personal profile] offtracks 2025-11-08 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
[ He doesn't really enjoy this conversation! But he's far too polite to just say that, and so. ]

Most likely nothing of the sort has happened, then! Though I do not believe our family is from Hisui, and Unova is halfway around the world...I think it would be difficult to affect my own personal history in such a way.

[ Other things in history are maybe a different story... ]
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[personal profile] consequerer 2025-11-08 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, that is a common response. That such a thing cannot happen, so therefore time travel is impossible. Or, perhaps:

Another option. The time travel was always meant to happen. The time traveler's actions in the past were always meant to be, and not a distortion or disruption, because they are what created the present that the time traveler hailed from. A cycle, then, with no clear beginning.

[ They can recognize his discomfort with the topic, at least; it only makes sense that he would be, all things considered. Hence their segue to the stable time loop theory instead. ]

It might be the happiest interpretation, perhaps?
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[personal profile] offtracks 2025-11-08 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
...perhaps so. It does bring up some interesting questions about fate...

[ Though, if he concludes it was simply meant to happen...well, Ingo thinks that would probably upset Emmet. ]
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[personal profile] consequerer 2025-11-08 06:17 am (UTC)(link)
Doesn't it? Quite the cheerful thought.

[ They could take the knife and twist it, see what he makes of it ... but then again, if they were going to do that they would have done so already.

In any case, the kind of time travel they're discussing is something on quite a much larger scale than the SAVEs and LOADs and RESETs that were employed in the Underground ... yet the principles are the same, aren't they? And they have seen quite a variety of different outcomes, trying to see what happens, find that better ending, even if the overall shape of things might have resembled each other superficially. Some of them ... ]


You said your brother is here, correct? Then at least you can know that you probably haven't done anything to change things to the point that he no longer exists.

[ Probably. They are not going to bring up the possibility that they are no longer from the same timeline at all, if they ever were, or that this place being Somewhere Else exists separately from the concept of a continuous, self-consistent timeline elsewhere. ]
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[personal profile] offtracks 2025-11-09 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, I do not think that would be possible in any case! We are twins!

[ There should not be one without the other!

........barring like some really sad and specific scenarios we don't gotta think about! ]
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[personal profile] consequerer 2025-11-10 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
You had not considered the potentiality of being an only child?

[ Or, well, making himself such? ]

Did you have such conviction before you came to know of his existence?
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[personal profile] offtracks 2025-11-10 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't know if I had any family at all, before.

[ Ingo doesn't even engage with the other question, for all that he doesn't protest either. ]